Thursday, November 17, 2011

Jon B. Lovelace, who led American Funds group, dies at 84

Jon B. Lovelace, long-time head of the Los Angeles-based American Funds mutual fund company, has died. He was 84.

His family said Lovelace died of natural causes at his home in Santa Barbara on Wednesday.

Lovelace is credited with some of the key innovations that helped set the stage for American Funds' explosive growth from the 1980s through the mid-2000s, as it became synonymous with successful buy-and-hold stock investing.

LovelaceThe funds' parent firm, Capital Group Cos., now manages about $1.2 trillion in all, most of that in 33 mutual funds owned by tens of millions of Americans. The company’s huge flagship funds include Growth Fund of America and Investment Co. of America.

Lovelace also nurtured an egalitarian environment at Capital, the polar opposite of the authoritarian regimes of many Wall Street firms.

His daughter, Carey, once referred to him as a “Buddhist businessman” who disdained hierarchy and personal aggrandizement.

Although Lovelace ultimately held the title of chairman of Capital's fund business until he retired in 2005, “he liked the symbolism of not having titles,” said Paul Haaga Jr., a Capital executive who joined the firm in 1985. “He led quietly, and he led through influence.”

In 1958, Lovelace launched a new approach to mutual fund management: Rather than having a single individual manage a portfolio, Lovelace created a “multiple counselor” system, whereby four or more managers would independently run slices of a fund.

It fit with Lovelace's dislike of the traditional Wall Street “star” system. “Because of the nature of our structure, we're not highly dependent on one person as some organizations are,” Lovelace told The Times in 1990.

The multiple-counselor system produced powerful long-term investment returns on many of American's stock funds, which in turn made the company a favorite of brokerages eager to sell winning products.

Go here for Lovelace’s full obituary in The Times.

-- Tom Petruno

Photo: Jon B. Lovelace. Credit: Capital Group Cos.

 

United States of Hunger

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Dollars to doughnuts.

Casey Mulligan noted Wednesday on Economix that United States spending on food stamps had skyrocketed since the recession began. A new Census Bureau report provides a look at just how big the program has become. Last year, more than one in 10 families received food stamps, with some states having significantly higher participation rates. In Oregon, the share was nearly one in five.

Dollars to doughnuts.

Here’s a map showing what share of families in each state received these benefits to help them buy food:

In Oregon, 17.8 percent of families received food stamps, officially known as Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefits, the highest rate in the nation. Oregon was followed by Tennessee (17 percent) and Michigan (16.9 percent).

The state with the lowest SNAP participation rate was Wyoming, with a rate of 6.2 percent. The next-lowest rates were in New Jersey (6.8 percent) and California (7.4 percent).

I must admit I’m a bit puzzled by some of these numbers. I would have expected California’s food stamp take-up rate, for example, to be much higher, since its unemployment rate is 11.9 percent, the state is broke, and so many cities there suffered from housing busts.

I did a quick scatterplot showing the relationship between median household income and food stamp take-up rates, and the relationship is relatively weak:

The relationship between unemployment rates and food stamp take-up rates was even weaker:

Of course, there are a lot of variables not at all reflected by unemployment and median income figures, such as inequality and state safety net programs.

All the Single (Old) Ladies

I sometimes hear women in New York lament that there are many more single gals than single guys around. To that I say: Just wait until you turn 90.

A new Census Bureau report finds that there were 457,155 men and 1,304,615 women over the age of 90 from 2006 to 2008. That’s almost three women for each man, not counting the younger singles they could pair with.

That works out to a lot of single female nonagenarians (and centenarians). Of men over 90, 42.9 percent are married. The share for their female counterparts is 6.3 percent.

Two O.C. loan officers indicted in Las Vegas foreclosures case

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In what appear to be the first criminal charges to stem from the fracas over improper foreclosures last year, two Southern California title loan officers have been indicted by a Nevada grand jury for allegedly filing tens of thousands of improper documents related to Las Vegas-area foreclosures.

The Clark County grand jury charged Gary Trafford, 49, of Irvine and Geraldine Sheppard, 62, of Santa Ana on 606 counts, alleging that the two headed up a vast “robo-signing” operation that resulted in the filing of tens of thousands of fraudulent foreclosure documents.

The documents were filed with the Clark County recorder’s office between 2005 and 2008, according to the indictment. The two title loan officers worked for the firm Lender Processing Services, a foreclosure processing company based in Florida that has been used by most of the largest banks in the nation to process home repossessions.

"I am not allowed to speak with you. I have no comment at this time," Sheppard said when reached by phone. Trafford could not be reached for comment.

The two have not been arrested, a spokeswoman for Nevada Atty. Gen. Catherine Cortez Masto told The Associated Press. LPS said in a statement that it is working with the authorities.

The company, in its statement, acknowledged that some of its documents were flawed but said the documents did not result in wrongful foreclosures.

“I am deeply committed to ensuring that LPS meets rigorous standards of professional conduct and operating excellence,” LPS Chief Executive Hugh Harris said in the statement. “I have full confidence in the ability of our leadership team and over 8,000 dedicated employees to deliver on that commitment."

Trafford is charged with 102 counts of offering false instruments for recording, a felony; false certification on certain instrument, a felony; and notarization of the signature of a person not in the presence of a notary public, a misdemeanor.

Sheppard is charged with 100 counts of offering false instruments for recording, a felony; false certification on certain instruments, a felony; and notarization of the signature of a person not in the presence of a notary public, a misdemeanor.

The indictment says that two title loan officers directed the fraudulent notarization and filing of paperwork used to initiate foreclosure on homeowners in the Las Vegas area. Nevada alleges that the two directed their employees to forge foreclosure documents, notarize the signatures on the documents they had forged and then file the fraudulent paperwork with the Clark County recorder's office in order to begin foreclosures on homes throughout the county.

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Photo: A foreclosure sign in front of a bank-owned home for sale in Las Vegas. Credit: Robyn Beck / AFP/Getty Images

Stocks, gold hit by broad sell-off on global jitters

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Raise cash, head for the sidelines.

That was the guiding sentiment in stock and commodity markets Thursday, as some investors and traders sold what they could and looked for a hiding place amid fresh doubts about the global economy.

Commodities took the heaviest hit: Gold futures dived $54.00, or 3%, to $1,719.80 an ounce in New York, the biggest one-day drop since Sept. 23.

The ThomsonReuters/Jefferies CRB index of 19 commodities slumped 2.5%, the biggest decline since Sept. 30. Corn, wheat, oil, cotton and copper all were sharply lower.

“There is liquidation across the board,” said Frank Cholly Sr., a senior commodities broker at RJO Futures in Chicago.

On Wall Street, stocks ended broadly lower for a second day. The Dow Jones industrial average, which tumbled 190 points on Wednesday, fell 134.86 points, or 1.1%, to 11,770. That cut the index's year-to-date gain to 1.7%.

Broader indexes were weaker. The Standard & Poor's 500 fell 1.7%; the Nasdaq composite lost 2%.

Some investors ran back to U.S. Treasury bonds, pushing the yield on the 10-year T-note down to 1.96% from 2.00% on Wednesday.

Many traders blamed continuing fears that Europe is headed for a major blow-up as its debt crisis worsens. Spain and France sold new bonds and were forced to pay yields far above the levels of a month ago.

General Motors Chief Executive Dan Akerson told the Detroit Economic Club that the European crisis is "much more serious" than the 2008 bursting of the credit bubble. GM shares fell 86 cents, or 3.8% to $21.79, a six-week low.

Still, Europe wasn’t a complete disaster Thursday: Italian bond yields pulled back from recent highs. And European stock markets were mostly down between 1% and 1.5%, relatively modest declines compared with the worst days of the last few months.

Meanwhile, markets seemingly ignored upbeat U.S. economic data, including a drop in new claims for jobless benefits to the lowest level since early April.

As they did in late September, some investors and traders may just be cashing out of whatever’s easiest to sell. That would include U.S. blue-chip stocks. The Dow is down 3.2% since Friday.

With so much uncertainty about Europe, and with the U.S. congressional deficit-cutting panel facing a Nov. 23 deadline to come up with a plan, some market players may just be calling it quits on 2011 early.

“I think it’s, ‘Just get out of things and wait til next year,’ ” said Frank Lesh, futures analyst at FuturePath Trading in Chicago.

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-- Tom Petruno

Photo: Gold jewelry, coins and bars are arranged for a photograph at a GoldMax store in Atlanta. Credit: Bloomberg News




















A slow month for cargo at Long Beach port

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The nation's second-busiest container port saw a sharp decline in cargo numbers in October, but there is a caveat. The Port of Long Beach is operating with just six terminal operators instead of the seven it had in 2010.

The Port of Long Beach is second only to the neighboring harbor of Los Angeles in the amount of cargo containers it moves annually. In October, the amount of imports, mostly from Asia, declined 20.8% to 240,248 containers from a year earlier. Exports through the port, mostly bound for Asia as well, were down 21.4% to 118,325 containerts, compared with October of 2010.

Overall, including empty containers that were being shipped back to Asia, Long Beach moved 487,665 containers, a drop of 20.5%.

One big factor was the absence of the Hyundai cargo terminal, which moved to the Port of Los Angeles. Hyundai had about 10% of the port's business and wasn't willing to wait as Long Beach embarks on a nine-year, $1-billion redevelopment project that will combine two aging shipping terminals into one modern facility that is expected to improve cargo-movement and reduce diesel emissions.

The port did get some good news this week. Its search for a successor for the retiring executive director, Richard D. Steinke, is over. Deputy Executive Director J. Christopher Lytle was selected as his replacement by the Long Beach Board of Harbor Commissioners. Lytle will take over by the end of the year.

Lytle joined the port in 2006 as managing director of trade relations and port operations. He's a former vice president with the French shipping line CMA-CGM. He also held executive positions at P&O Ports North America, Sea-Land Service Inc. and APM (Maersk) Terminals of Denmark.

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-- Ronald D. White

Photo: A crane operator at Long Beach Container Terminal lifts a cargo container from a truck for loading onto an Orient Overseas Container Line ship. Credit: Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times

Study: In some areas, risky loans punished the rich more than the poor

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Five years into the housing bust, are rich or poor homeowners more likely to suffer foreclosure?

It all depends on which part of the country you're in, according to a Center for Responsible Lending study.

Low- and moderate-income borrowers have been most affected in cities such as Detroit, Cleveland and St. Louis, where weak economies meant home prices didn't rise much even while much of the nation was caught up in the housing bubble, the nonprofit CRL said.

However, in areas that had strong housing appreciation before the collapse, such as California and Nevada, the opposite is true. In these areas, middle- and higher-income borrowers have been most likely to fall into foreclosure, according to CRL's study of 27 million mortgages over five years.

The explanation, CRL said Thursday, is that higher-income borrowers in expensive boom states wound up with a disproportionate number of high-risk loans, as did the lower-income residents of cities with weak economies and housing markets.

The rich borrowers were stretching to buy homes by using supposedly prime adjustable-rate loans requiring interest-only payments at first, or pay-option mortgages that allowed them to pay so little that their loan balance rose instead of fell. 

Overall, the CRL said, there was remarkably little difference in foreclosure rates between low- and high-income people who took out home loans from 2004 to 2008.

Among lower-income borrowers in that group, 15.9% had been foreclosed on or were seriously delinquent (meaning 60 days or more in arrears) by February 2011, the CRL study found.

Among middle-incomes borrowers, 14.7% fell into those categories, with 14.6% of high-income borrowers in the same straits.

But those slight differences contrasted with big gaps when researchers sorted troubled borrowers by type of housing market.

In weak markets, more than 10% of low-income borrowers had lost their homes to foreclosure, while less than 4% of higher-income borrowers had homes repossessed.

In the topsy-turvy world of the boom housing markets, more than 9% of higher-income borrowers had lost their homes, compared to less than 4% of low-income homeowners.

The study also found that:

-- Among homeowners who received loans from 2004 to 2008, 2.7 million households, or 6.4%, had lost their homes to foreclosure as of February 2011. Another 8.3%, or 3.6 million households, were at serious risk, defined as in the foreclosure process or more than 60 days past due on their mortgages.

-- The majority of people affected by foreclosures have been non-Latino white families. However, African American and Latino borrowers are more than twice as likely to lose their home to foreclosure as non-Latino white households -- 25% compared to 12%.

-- Racial and ethnic disparities in foreclosures persist even among higher-income groups. About 10% of higher-income African American borrowers and 15% of higher-income Latino borrowers have lost their home to foreclosure, compared with 4.6% of higher-income non-Latino white borrowers, the CRL said.

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-- E. Scott Reckard

 Photo: Foreclosed homes behind padlock in North Las Vegas. Credit: Jewel Samad / AFP/Getty Images

Construction of new homes increases, except in West

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Construction of single-family U.S. homes appeared to pick up last month, but not in the West.

Single-family homes were started at a rate of 434,000, a 5.1% increase over the prior month.

The increase follows news of an increase builder sentiment. Economists called the jump in new single-family-home starts a positive sign, as the nation's beleaguered real estate market was at least showing life.

"This was a good report," Patrick Newport, U.S. economist with IHS Global Insight, wrote in a note Thursday. "It has supporting evidence that the single-family market is finally getting off the mat and that the multi-family segment is continuing to make small strides, and that we should expect good housing starts numbers the rest of this year."

Overall housing starts -- including the volatile apartment building sector -- fell in October 0.3% over the prior month, to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 628,000. The decline was attributed to a drop in apartment building construction.

The West was the only region that did not see an increase, falling 16.5%. Starts were up 17.2% in the Northeast, 9.7% in the Midwest and 1.6% in the South.

Another measure of housing activity considered less volatile than starts, permits issued, also showed new building gaining ground last month. New permits in October were at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 653,000, 10.9% above September and 17.7% above October 2010.

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Photo:  Suburban homes under construction in Rancho Cucamonga. Credit: Getty Images

 

Workers win record number of bias cases in 2011, EEOC reports

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More workers than ever sought help against office discrimination from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission this year, the agency said this week.

More than 99,947 charges were filed in 2011 alleging unfair workplace practices based on race, sex, age, religion, disability and even family medical history, according to the EEOC’s annual performance report

That’s the highest number since the commission was launched through the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The agency also won a record amount of monetary relief –- nearly $365 million -– for employees.

Over a year in which national unemployment remained stuck at around 9%, many workers are working longer hours for less pay, with older employees expecting to delay retirement.

The EEOC resolved 112,499 cases through a mix of investigations, conciliations, mediations and litigation, more than last year.

The agency won $3 million for 290 former 3M employees who had accused the company of denying leadership training to and laying off hundreds of workers over age 45. About 800 Verizon employees won a $20-million fund after challenging the company over claims that it disciplined or fired employees with disabilities.

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Consumer Confidential: Holiday travel, hybrids, teddy bear recall

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Here's your three-times-a-lady Thursday roundup of consumer news from around the Web:

-- What's the latest word on the living hell that is Thanksgiving travel? Here you go. About 42.5 million people in the United States are expected to hit the road to visit family and friends, the highest number of holiday travelers since the start of the recession. Travel tracker AAA says that 4% more Americans than last year will journey at least 50 miles from home, with about 90% of them driving. Another 8% plan to fly, but AAA notes that higher airfares and less available seats have forced many would-be fliers to drive instead. The remaining travelers plan to take buses, trains or other forms of transport. Also, those driving should expect to pay more at the pump. The average price of a gallon of gas so far this November is $3.42, up nearly 20% from last year’s $2.86. (Associated Press)

-- For drivers, hybrid vehicles can be a good deal safer than conventional cars. For pedestrians, though, they can be more dangerous because they can sneak right up on you. Occupants of hybrid vehicles sustain fewer injuries in crashes than those who are involved in accidents in non-hybrid cars, according to the Highway Loss Data Institute. The same study says hybrids cause more pedestrian crashes than their non-hybrid counterparts because their relatively quiet operation can make them stealthy on the road. The study suggests the weight of hybrids contributed to a 25% decrease in bodily injuries for those riding in the vehicles. (Los Angeles Times)

-- Heads up: Build-a-Bear Workshop is recalling more than 21,000 swimwear and inner tube sets sold in the U.S. and Canada. The inner tube accessory can be pulled over a small child's head, posing a strangulation hazard. Build-a-Bear received one report of an incident in which a 3-year-old girl pulled the inner tube over her head and had difficulty removing it. The inner tube is part of the three-piece Fruit Tutu Bikini swimwear set for teddy bears, which includes a two-piece fruit-print bikini. The inner tube is nine inches in diameter and pink with white and yellow flowers printed on it. Build-a-Bear Workshop sold the swimwear sets nationwide from April to August for $12.50. They were made in China. (ConsumerAffairs.com)

-- David Lazarus

Photo: There will be more people traveling for Thanksgiving. Enjoy! Credit: Irfan Khan / Los Angeles Times

 

San Diego Union-Tribune sold to hotel magnate Doug Manchester

The San Diego Union-Tribune is being sold to MLIM, owned by local hotel magnate Doug Manchester, said current owner Platinum Equity.

Terms of the deal weren’t disclosed by Los Angeles-based Platinum,  which bought the 143-year-old newspaper from Copley Press in 2009. The acquisition is expected to close by Dec. 15.

MLIM is headed by chief executive and longtime radio station owner John Lynch, who founded the Broadcast Co. of America and once worked for the Chicago Tribune. 

In its two and a half years of ownership, Platinum attempted to modernize the Union-Tribune’s print and online operations, the private equity investment firm said Thursday. The newspaper has an average circulation of 219,347, ranking it 25th on the list compiled by the Audit Bureau of Circulations.

“We came here at a difficult time for the newspaper industry and helped the Union-Tribune successfully transform its operations and reinvent itself,” said Louis Samson, a Platinum principal who led the 2009 acquisition effort. 

Readers were stunned by the announcement. “Chin hits floor,” tweeted Twitter user djduke. “Is this an early April Fool’s joke?” tweeted Whitney Benjamin. “Sad news folks,” tweeted Anne Cornetta.

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The San Diego Union-Tribune is being sold to MLIM, owned by local hotel magnate Doug Manchester, said current owner Platinum Equity.

Terms of the deal weren’t disclosed by Los Angeles-based Platinum,  which bought the 143-year-old newspaper from Copley Press in 2009. The acquisition is expected to close by Dec. 15.

MLIM is headed by chief executive and long-time radio station owner John Lynch, who founded the Broadcast Company of America and once worked for The Chicago Tribune.  

In its two and a half years of ownership, Platinum attempted to modernize the Union-Tribune’s print and online operations, the private equity investment firm said Thursday.

“We came here at a difficult time for the newspaper industry and helped the Union-Tribune successfully transofrm its operations and re-invent itself,” said Louis Samson, a Platinum principal who led the 2009 acquisition effort.  

Readers were stunned by the announcement. “Chin hits floor,” tweeted Twitter user djduke. “Is this an early April Fool’s joke?” tweeted Whitney Benjamin. “Sad news folks,” tweeted Anne Cornetta.

Fewer home loans going bad but foreclosures on rise

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Far fewer borrowers are delinquent on their home loans these days, a Mortgage Bankers Assn. report shows, but new foreclosure actions are on the rise in states like California, showing the nation still has much pain to endure before the housing crisis subsides.

Private analysts say the nation is only halfway through the wrenching grip of the foreclosure epidemic. And that's reflected in the housing market, where home sales and prices continue to sag in many areas despite record low interest rates.

Five years into the crisis, 7.99% of all U.S. home loans were behind by at least one payment in the third quarter but not yet in foreclosure, the mortgage trade group said Thursday. That's down by nearly half a percentage point from the second quarter and more than a percentage point from a year earlier.

But the group's statistics showed how banks are reasserting themselves against troubled borrowers after slowing the process for nearly a year amid increased scrutiny from regulators.

The percentage of loans on which foreclosure actions were started during the third quarter was 1.08%, up from 0.96% in the second quarter. California had the nation's fifth-highest rate of new foreclosures: nearly 1.5% in the latest quarter.

The percentage of U.S.loans somewhere in the foreclosure process at the end of the third quarter was 4.43%, up slightly from a year earlier. The rate of homes in foreclosure was highest in Eastern and Midwestern states that route all home repossessions through the courts, with Florida at more than 14% and New Jersey at 8%.

California, which for years had one of the highest rates of loans in foreclosure, has fallen to 19th on the list because its foreclosure process doesn't normally require court action and is among the most streamlined in the nation. In other words, even as the rate of new foreclosures increases, the repossessions are being handled quickly.

Of states that handle foreclosures without going through court procedures, Nevada was the only one high on the total foreclosure-rate list, with nearly 8% of its mortgages in foreclosure.  

In a separate report Thursday, mortgage finance giant Freddie Mac said the typical rate on a 30-year fixed-rate home loan early this week was an even 4.0%, a statistically insignificant rise from 3.99% a week earlier. The 15-year fixed loan rates rose to 3.31% from 3.30%.

Expressing some optimism, Frank Nothaft, an economist for the trade group, said the economy "is showing potential for further gains in the near term" as the near-record low mortgage rates persist.

Retail sales rose for the fifth straight month in October, consumer confidence rose for the third straight month in early November to the highest reading since June, and home-builder confidence exhibited a back-to-back monthly increase in November to the strongest level since May 2010, Nothaft said, citing various surveys.

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-- E. Scott Reckard

Photo: San Jose protesters target Bank of America. Credit: Paul Sakuma / Associated Press

Reader Feedback: Why American Migration Might Be Falling

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Dollars to doughnuts.

In response to my post Tuesday on the record low level of migration in the United States last year, an astute reader referred me to a recent paper in The Journal of Economic Perspectives on this subject.

Dollars to doughnuts.

The study — by Raven Molloy, Christopher L. Smith and Abigail Wozniak — notes that the drop in mobility has been going on since the 1980s, and so should not be attributed to the recent downturn. Based on statistical analysis, it also argues that the trend seems to be unrelated to “demographics, income, employment, labor force participation, or homeownership.” Americans are, however, still more likely to move than Europeans, for unknown reasons.

The authors are unsure why migration rates have been falling so steadily in the United States. They suggest a few possible theories, including:

Any other theories, readers?

Why Not Break Up Citigroup?

Simon Johnson, the former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund, is the co-author of “13 Bankers.”

Earlier this week, Richard Fisher, the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, captured the growing political mood with regard to very large banks, observing, “I believe that too-big-to-fail banks are too dangerous to permit.”

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Market forces don’t work with the biggest banks at their current sizes, because they have great political power and receive almost unlimited, implicit subsidies in the form of protection against downside risks — particularly in times like these, with Europe’s financial situation looking precarious. Mr. Fisher added:

Perspectives from expert contributors.

Downsizing the behemoths over time into institutions that can be prudently managed and regulated across borders is the appropriate policy response. Then, creative destruction can work its wonders in the financial sector, just as it does elsewhere in our economy.

Mr. Fisher is a senior public official and also someone with a great deal of experience in financial markets, including running his own funds-management company. I increasingly meet leading figures in the financial sector who share Mr. Fisher’s views, at least in private.

What, then, is the case in favor of keeping mega-banks at their current scale? Vague assertions are sometimes made, but there is very little hard evidence and often a lack of candor on that side of the argument.

So it is refreshing to see Vikram Pandit, the chief executive of Citigroup, go on the record with The Banker magazine to at least explain how his bank will generate shareholder value. (Viewing the interview requires registration, however.)

Citi is one of the world’s largest banks. According to The Banker’s database, which includes data from the end of 2010, it had total assets of just under $2 trillion — putting it in the top 10 worldwide. Over all, The Banker places it as No. 4 in its “Top 1,000 World Ranking.” Citi is No. 39 on the Forbes list of the top 500 global companies, with total employment of 260,000.

Is there indication in Mr. Pandit’s vision that mega-banking will be good for the rest of us in the future? Don’t look for Citi to drive any kind of rethinking of the consumer market in the United States; Mr. Pandit just wants to downsize that part of his business.

The engines of growth, Mr. Pandit said, will be “the global transactions services business” and “emerging markets.”

Transaction services are important, but they do not require a very large balance sheet; these can equally well be performed by a network of small, nimble financial firms. Global commerce existed for centuries before banks built up risks that are large relative to their home economies.

And emerging markets are risky. Mr. Pandit is essentially betting that Citi can ride the cycle in those countries. Probably there will be relatively good profits for a number of years, and this will justify high compensation levels. But when the cycle turns against emerging markets, as it did in 1982, what happens?

In 1982, Citi had a large loan exposure in the emerging markets of the day — Latin America, and the Communist nations of Poland and Romania — and it was saved from insolvency by “regulatory forbearance,” meaning that the Federal Reserve and other regulators did not force it to recognize its losses. Citi was a relatively big bank at that time, but much smaller than it is today.

And its complex global operations are exactly what would make it very hard to put through orderly liquidation under Dodd-Frank. I argued here in March that there is no meaningful resolution authority for global banks; before and after that post I’ve taken this point up in private with senior officials in the United States and Europe responsible for handling the potential failure of such entities.

No one disagrees with my main point: we cannot handle the collapse of a bank like Citigroup in “orderly” fashion.

Jon Huntsman put mega-banks on the agenda for the Republican primaries, with a blistering commentary in The Wall Street Journal a few weeks ago: “Too Big to Fail Is Simply Too Big.”

Other contenders for the Republican nomination have followed his lead, including most recently Newt Gingrich. Whoever ends up going head to head with Mitt Romney is likely to make good use of this very theme — because Mr. Romney already has so much financial support from the top of Wall Street, it will be very hard for him to respond effectively.

Breaking up the biggest banks is not a fringe idea to be brushed off. Mr. Fisher is speaking for many people who work in financial services, who agree that the big banks are not good for the rest of us. Mr. Pandit’s interview just reinforces this point.

Any Republican candidates who say they are fiscally responsible must eventually confront this issue: What was the role of big banks in the enormous recession and consequent vast loss of tax revenue since 2008? Which sector poses clear and immediate danger to our fiscal accounts, looking forward — and in a way that is not yet scored properly in any budget assessment? As Mr. Fisher put it, rather graphically,

Perhaps the financial equivalent of irreversible lap-band or gastric bypass surgery is the only way to treat the pathology of financial obesity, contain the relentless expansion of these banks and downsize them to manageable proportions.

I suggest that Mr. Fisher could reasonably begin with Citigroup.

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